Originally by: Karn Mithralia

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Yeh, good post Nikolai.

Originally by: Shemar

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What I will focus on is why some people are so opposed to the idea of crews.

There are many players that PvP regularly and lose significant amounts of ships. Based on the numbers given, that would mean that they have several thousands (maybe even in the millions) of crew deaths in their hands (both friendly and enemy crews). While for a non-role player that means nothing, for those that role play characters that would normally care about others it is an issue.

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Here-in lies the crux of the matter, I'm glad you pointed it out Shemar. As so many posts in this thread point out the background setting for this game is ships have crews. There's no debate on this, beyond 'I dont care' or 'I choose not to believe it'.

I think you've hit the nail on the head on why its so hard for people to accept (myself included intially). But it also brings up why its so vital to accept for excellent role-play. Too many people cannot distinguish the Eve 'verse from real life. We are not all post-modern, humanist, equalitarian, politically correct types here in Eve. We are the elite, chosen becase we very few can make pod technology work without it killing us. As has been pointed out we are valued much more highly than our crews, despite what we as players may think of that. Even the very best among us, the most purely motivated, are killers, if only due to negligence. How many mining crews have been lost due to the pilot being afk?

The RP challenge is to deal with this fact. IMO to say you don't have a crew is in 90% of cases a cop out, a lame way to fill in for a lack of imagination.

The IGS forum is full of this sorta watered down pap. It bores me to tears. Where is the glory of the warrior, the tragedy of his/her losses, the bitter pain of untold deaths on our hands?

If you truely play a humanitarian who cannot accept the lives of your crew are lost when you lose a ship, then work out how to RP that - let it affect your game-play. Don't fly BS's, hell don't fly cruisers. Perhaps don't judge the worth of your ship based on your wallet, but on the lives it holds within.

Come-on, surely we all have far more fertile and vivid imaginations than the need to not come across as killer of millions in the public eye allows? This stuff should inspire great RP, not encourage lame cop-outs cos you can't face the reality of crew death.

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